How do you tell when politicians are lying?

Their lips are moving!

Read this quote and weep!

RON MARK (Deputy Leader—NZ First): I rise on behalf of New Zealand First and, in particular, my colleague Denis O’Rourke, who saw most of this bill through the Local Government and Environment Committee process, and I trust that I will do him justice by taking his slot.

I want to start by making it very, very clear to the House that New Zealand First is not going to go through this election talking about bottom lines, except for on this matter. We wish to make it very, very clear as a party that if any party in this House today debating this bill, and voting for it in particular, wishes to be in Government with us post—23 September, they will have to accept that we will repeal this bill. I am saying it again: New Zealand First is making it very, very clear that if this bill passes in this third reading, those parties that vote for it—if they wish to be in Government with New Zealand First post—September 2017—had better accept that this bill will be repealed.

Now that NZ First is in coalition, what has happened?

Have the racist provisions in the Resource Management Act been repealed?


The baubles and trinkets of power won, hands down.

Keeping faith with their word, or even with their voting constituents, was not an option.  Why?

“Not enough people voted for us,” along with other politically expedient excuses, excuses and more excuses.

The “bro-rocracy” in the RMA stays and Winston First and his MPs collects their pays!

And politicians wonder why we hold them in utter contempt.

They are simply a pack of mendacious, opportunistic mongrels.

Even though we’re guilty of voting for them, time-after-time, they are – one and all – The disHonourable Breakers of pre-Election Promises, Member of Parliament for any and every NZ electorate.

You can read the full Hansard transcript, here. Sounded good at the time – of course. Later proven to be just so many lies.

25 thoughts on “We Should Have Known Better

  1. I heard him say this and heard his speech on the bill which I thought was just excellent. But there we are I have already emailed the entire New Zealand First caucus and told them that they are liars. Only one replied. They are liars to a person and deserve to be wiped out at the next election.

  2. I voted for the local Coromandel NZ First candidate because she seemed an honest Kiwi but would not vote for the party because right up until polling day they would not give any answer on the question of the repeal of the Maori seats and now that they are in coalition with Labour that’s unlikely to even be mentioned.
    Yes I do think they will be decimated in the next election and hopefully the party will not outlive it’s current leader.
    There is something sinister going on in our western representational democracies as the incidence of blatant lying and the use of propaganda has become commonplace to point that the voting public are being treated with utter contempt.
    The attitude of the ruling elite in 1916 USA after the success the Creel Committee definitely is the mindset behind what we are witnessing today. One of the committee’s members Edward Berneys set the tone with this comment: “Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government.”

  3. I wrote to Winston Peters and got some lame BS excuse reply from his paid lacky Anita Williams. Filthy Liars. I only voted for these slimey gutless liars because of their apparent stand on equality. All parties in this 3rd world country are corrupt liars.

  4. I agree with alot of all the comments above. But in fairness to NZF they are a minority party and I partly buy their argument that they do not have enough votes. I mean what else can they do? what is the alternative?

    I don’t think they would get the repeal with Labour. Although Labour did not support the bill either. So I am not sure what the latest is with this. It is very frustrating to say the least but i think until nz wakes up there will be more of the same.

    1. An alternative would be to force another election. Unpalatable, but at least that would be principled. (A foreign concept to the pollies, of course).

      1. Fair point. But I cannot see that giving a different or better outcome. Principled is all well and good. But if they all had their principles where would that get us. Sorry I hate to say all this, i really do, but it seems to be the way it is for now, in my humble opinion. I just hope it is down to my lack of vision!

        1. I agree with you that it’s just the way things are, at the moment. But, no – I don’t think it’s any lack of vision on your part, Jim. More an unfortunate reality. We can rail against it, but, more’s the pity, it is not likely to make much difference.

    2. They may not have many votes, but they have enough to stop any legislation they wish. Simple – either the LABOUR/greens fall into line with the NZF demands, or they can force another election at the first monthly Confidence & Supply vote. Problem is, they know that they risk being out of government and losing their comfortable salary packages (especially Winston, who gets the biggest one), so they will not rock the boat. It makes it worse knowing that they have the power to move in the democratic direction, but lack the guts. (abridged)

      1. It will hard to gauge if NZF are in any way effective. I mean there is no doubt that the Greens and Labour want to eleminate the ability of ratepayers to force a poll when councils decide to have separate Maori wards. Phil Goff has already said that he will ask them to eliminate the use of petitions to force a poll and Mahuta has indicated the same. If this doesn’t happen then maybe we could infer that NZF have worked behind the scenes to stop it. A small thing I know, but watch this space. If it does happen then we know that NZF are happy to swallow as many rats as they are given to keep their bottoms on the shiny leather limo seats.

        1. The truth will out fairly quickly on the issue of the right of ratepayers to trigger a referendum on Maori wards on councils. We are in the process of trying to get over 1700 signatures to force one in the Western Bay of Plenty where most of our council voted along with the mayor to support the creation of Maori wards. Only three Councillors were against the motion.

          If NZ First don’t cross the floor of the house on this one then they will likely never grace a “shiny limo seat” again for a while after this present coalition completes its term, or implodes.

          1. Yes but I have a feeling with this group of loosers making up the government that some things will just never get to a vote as they will know that it will be divisive. The wish to do away with local democracy by doing away with the vote on holding a poll will likely just never surface.

      2. A very good summary of the situation.

        Unfortunately as I’ve alluded to earlier there is an increasing lack of integrity in Western democracies that started decades ago (perhaps longer) that is exacerbated by the MMP system – a system that was imposed on Germany after WWII to prevent the rise of one party dominance. It is a system that has been for the most part rejected where it has been tried and NZ is one of very few the countries that have persisted with it.

        America’s democracy has almost disappeared and has been replaced by an oligarchy complete with the legalised corruption of lobby groups whether they be financed by uber-rich individuals, corporations or groups with a religious/ethnic/racial identification.

        Under MMP in NZ it seems that something similar is happening.

  5. I also voted for Winston’s party vote along with allot of others as he said one of his bottom lines was a referendum on the Maori seats and getting rid of sepratism in New Zealand but during those behind closed doors negotiations he flip flopped. Next election he will be history

    1. Flipflop? More of a total about face. Having made deputy PM, it may be that Winnie-the-poo-on-voters will retire at the end of this term. That could be the demise of the Winston First Party, too. Meantime, we all remain stuck in the miasma of the racist swamp surrounding the Wellie drones house.

  6. While I generally agree with the pessimism expressed here I do think we all need to continue to discuss this with those around us and continue to point out the stupidity of race based policies and how detrimental they are to the future of this country. That ultimately – they could lead to violence.

  7. I heartily agree with Roger.
    Where you have an MMP system you are always going to get promises made that parties will reneg on once the realities of forming a coalition government kick in.
    However with the way the voting results turned out at the last election it was pretty obvious to me that if NZ First chose to run with Labour and the Greens they were going to have to break virtually all the promises they had made around the issue of race based politics.
    If they had been honest and sincere about these promises they would have declared for National right from the git go.

  8. There were only two choices – National or Labour/Greens. Both are disgusting. Our parliament is full of selected sychophants who no longer represent the ‘will of the people’ or electorates. We must get rid of unelected list M.P.s. The ‘100 days’ theory seems to be the ideal altenative.

  9. I agree with everyone here. In the mean time, every cloud has a silver lining, even if only a tiny one. Finlayson is gone!! That is worth celebrating, and so, for now, is the Maori Party. Who knows what capital might be made during this term with those festering wounds lanced?

    1. Agree with both your points. There is hope and we should not wish for something that would bring the National racists back.

      1. But which side of the coin is more or less racist? Labour or National?

        The watermelon party are 100% racist, just like the maori party. It’s only the name that differs.

        1. But which side of the coin is more racist? Labour or National?

          The wake up call – Former New Plymouth mayor Andrew Judd who was hell bent on introducing Maori wards and lost out when a ratepayers referendum was held, then turned his attention to introducing a petition into parliament to overturn the right to hold a referendum on this issue which became the basis of the Local Electoral (Equitable Process for Establishing Maori Wards and Maori Constituencies) Amendment Bill – a Private Members Bill in the name of the Green Party MP Marama Davidson.
          The Bill was drawn from the ballot last year and a first reading debate was held in June. It was defeated by 71 votes to 48, with National, New Zealand First and ACT opposed, and Labour, the Greens, the Maori Party, and United Future in favour.

  10. I hope this is OK, but please folks, when you get time, have a look at and sign in and make some comments.

    It advises us of the daily cancer all over NZ. We should go to all forums and make our views clear. Thanks 1Law4All …hope mentioning another website with the same hopes is OK.

  11. Not sure where all this talk of Findlayson going is coming from-he’s still there and held in high regard by National MPs apparently and if they get back in then he’s back in-why would they do any different?!! My local National MP thinks he’s a great guy….big part of what is wrong with National!

    1. Yeah, I heard both Nats & Labour falling over themselves saying how fantastic a job he had done…but they seem to forget he was paid to represent NZ, not the lying racist thugs trying to get rich from us.

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